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North By Northwest - Youtube Version

I think I fell in love with the movie !

North By Northwest - Youtube Version

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The problem is that to me they are as addictive as crack. If I start eating one, I could easily eat the whole box. I've got a frozen monkey on my back, man... ๐Ÿ˜€

Troy Hickman

Popsicles sounds nice tbh.

Thats MR. Baldamort

I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say at all Troy! Fire away, if you want to. ๐Ÿ‘ If not, no worries. Happy Thanksgiving! ๐Ÿ—๐ŸŒฝ๐Ÿป

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

I have studied all this stuff for years, and have so many thoughts about it. But I think I would rather just sit here and eat my popsicle...๐Ÿ˜€

Troy Hickman

You have a point, but I think that depends. If a woman is not going out to bars, nightclubs, etc then it's probably not happening as much compared to those that are going out a lot. An attractive girl at a bar or nightclub is almost absolutely getting hit on. If an attractive girl is staying home on the weekends to read a book, she's probably not getting hit on, though she would if she went out to a social gathering place. In places like that, guys can be super bold. I've had guys approach and hit on my girlfriend when I was sitting right next to her at a bar. Several times! This was back when she would compete in singing competitions. We don't really do that much anymore, so it hasn't happened in awhile. I only got confrontational once. I trust her 100% so I usually would sit and watch them get shot down, but one guy wouldn't take the hint and I had to step in. That reminds me! I had a guy hit on ME at a karaoke bar recently. Guys can be pretty fricking bold... I didn't catch that part of the night on video, but I did record a quick clip that night and posted it on my YouTube Channel. Here is the link if you wanted to drop it in the browser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDQhCeaCxY Pause the video at the 5 second mark. The blonde in the bottom right is Katy, and the guy who hit on me is in the blue shirt with the white dots on it in the middle, the table in front of ours. He has the shoulder length brown hair. I wrote about it in detail in the description of the video. This guy was extremely forward and said some crude things to me. It gave me a little perspective on what women have to deal with sometimes, when guys approach them very forwardly like that. I am sure women would feel a lot more uncomfortable than I did, and I felt pretty uncomfortable. I didn't make a big deal of it, because I didn't take it as a big deal. I just kind of shrugged my shoulders over it, but I'm a 195 lbs guy. If i were a 110 lbs woman and some guy approached like this, I would probably feel a lot more uncomfortable. Oddly enough, while Katy got compliments from guys that night, it was a woman that hit on her that night. A girl slapped Katy on the butt after telling her that she's been checking her out! I don't think that girl is in the video I took though. I swear, this place is not that kind of place but it got a bit wild. Anyways, I think you're right about the situations where a person is not talking to others in a social gathering place, but if they are then it still happens a lot for sure.

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

I donโ€™t think women get approached as much as you think they do. People all meet online now because no one talks to each other anymore.

Doce

I think what you said is correct, Mr. Baldamort. I do want to come to the defense of women a little bit though... It is true that women don't understand what it's like to be the guy and they don't know how difficult it is for many guys to overcome the nerves and fear of asking a girl out, nor how unpleasant it is if she is mean about it. Women don't really need to do the asking out very often, and most don't. That means that they don't quite understand what it is like for guys who find themselves carrying that burden... BUT... On the other side, men don't know what it's like to be a woman who is getting approached all of the time by men. Some men approach her rudely, some pushy, some deceptively, some don't get the hint, etc. A woman is not always wanting to be approached either, so when it happens it can be annoying for them to have to deal with. Most guys will never understand that about women's experiences. In a perfect world a woman would respond politely to a guy approaching her, even if she wasn't interested or in the mood for dealing with it at all. In a perfect world a man wouldn't approach a woman in a weird or annoying way when she just wants to hang out with her girlfriends. In a perfect world... Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and both sexes are going to be doing what they do and will sometimes be unhappy about how the experience went down. I don't know what to say except that it is what it is.

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

See that's what bothers a lot of guys like this. It can't be a simple "no thank you" lots girls got to attack their ego and make them feel like shit. Same with asking a girl out. It's never a simple "no sorry not interested" there is always some aggressive or passive agressvie hit on the guys ego. Most guys you'd be suprised the level of confidence and courage it takes to begin with to approach. Its not like most guys asking girls out all the time. If people go to party and nightclubs like some of my friends, then it may seem opposite but most guys who go clubbing are alpha and beta or sigma top 3% Chads anyway who probebly get lucky a couple times a week, but that is not majorty of guys expirence. Most guys it's rare they get a chance to find maybe a couple dates a year. lota of guys are not afraid of being told no, we are afraid of having our egos destroyed.

Thats MR. Baldamort

Oh 1000% ! Couple years ago my male friend was sitting in the bus , and women walked in. He offered her his seat, and she went nuts on him! Started screaming and all. Needless to say, he never offered the seat again

Dasha

I guess that explains why Amtrak makes me horny...๐Ÿ˜‰

Troy Hickman

How to read 50's film metaphors: When the train went into the tunnel after they kissed at the end, that was a metaphor for sex. Ba-boom.

Mark Rude

Agreed! ๐Ÿ‘

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

I donโ€™t stress. Time change and I try to stay adaptable. I never even considered that a lady would get mad at a man for being gentlemanly on a date. Thatโ€™s a bad look.

Doce

@Dasha - Hearing you say that is disappointing... because it suggests that you're not seeing examples of chivalrous men in your life. By "disappointing" I only mean that I wish you didn't have to feel that way. @Doce - I agree with you on that... in part. I don't think saying women killed chivalry tells the full story, but women do have a large role to play in it. Let's think about it honestly for a bit, and I am not going to pass judgement as I lay this out. Women had a lot of things change for them in society, which changed everything along with it. Including men. For one, feminism has long trashed the traditional role women had in society. Again, I am not passing judgement at this time, I'm just describing what happened. The noble and extremely important roles of being a mother and a housewife have been frowned upon in modern times when they've been vital roles that women filled throughout the entirety of human history. Changing all of that in a generation absolutely had an impact on society. For two, birth control and other contraceptives are very recent inventions. Think about what it did beyond the obvious. Think about what it did to relationships. Women no longer HAD to think as seriously about their relationships, making things more casual and consequence free. They didn't have to be as responsible. There are many other things that happened as well, but I doubt anyone wants to read a book of a comment from me, so those are two of the biggest that come to mind. Modern women are COMPELTELY in a different position than they have been throughout mankind's 200,000 year history. There are many good things that came from this, but we seem to not pay too much attention to the possible negative ramifications of these massive changes and how it impacted the relationships between men and women. For good or ill. As women relied less and less on men, men felt less and less needed. Again, you can argue the good and bad of that, but we cannot deny that the impact exists. We have also talked on here about Dating and how technology has changed it. Social Media and Dating Apps completely favor women and the top 5% of attractive men in terms of getting dates. Women are the Gatekeepers of sex and Men are the Gatekeepers of commitment. Think about this for a second. Even a below average looking woman with a below average personality can decide at noon that she is going to have sex with some random man by the end of the night. Do you think she can do it? Of course. No one thinks that she would fail to find a guy to sleep with if she decided she wanted to do it. She could accomplish this every day, if she wanted to. Can even an above average looking man with an above average personality accomplish this? Probably not, and definitely not consistently. The measure of a woman's success in dating is NOT who she can sleep with, because sleeping with people is easy for her. The measure of her success is if she can get a man to COMMIT to a relationship with her. That is how a woman's success can be measured. A lot of guys will sleep with her, but not every guy is going to want to offer her his commitment. For guys, it's different. Most guys won't offer commitment to every girl they sleep with. They only offer commitment to the one they feel is worth exploring long term. Most guys are open to casual sex, because casual sex isn't easy for them to come by. When it does, most men will take it even if they aren't interested in her beyond a one night stand. The point of all of this is that the entire relationship between men and women was changed when society advanced allowing women to change their historical roles. Not only did contraception allow for women to begin having casual sex without consequence, but it was almost encouraged because those traditional roles were now frowned upon by society. Women begin entering the Dating World far less serious than they had ever been in human history. What happened was the most attractive of men started getting access to whole lot of sex from all of these women, while most men saw their options dry up. Women started getting a whole lot less commitment because they were largely sleeping with the more attractive guys who had no intention of offering commitment because of all of their options. This was discussed on here before, so I don't want to just repeat everything. I think this whole situation is bad for men and women. I think chivalry has suffered because society has changed. There are still chivalrous men out there, but they either find someone and get taken early or they end up getting burnt and turning sour over everything. If anyone thinks I have any of this wrong or I am way off base, let me know. I can only learn more if I get challenged or presented with new ideas. @Baldamort - Chivalrous guys tend to go slow, too slow for many modern women. Before I met my girl I did go on other dates, and I blew one date with this girl named Stephanie because I DIDN'T make moves on her. Our very first date was out at a company after-hours night at the bar and then we went back to my parent's house for a party that I had planned while my parents were at the Lake. (Don't judge me! I was 21! :) This girl I was with that night was absolutely stunning. So much so that when my brother saw her the first thing he did was look at me and say, "Fuck you." LOL! The party was fun, she had a great time, we eventually kissed on the hammock out back, etc. After everyone left, she and I ended up in the movie theater room couch and things got pretty heavy... but I was still under the impression that girls didn't want a guy who moved fast, plus I wasn't comfortable moving fast either as I was a virgin still at this time. I had old school notions about dating and sex still. Anyways, when I didn't take it to the next level (sex) despite her being very handsy I noticed her attitude started to change. I won't go into any intimate details but let's just say she was turned on, she wanted to go further, and she had to be wondering what the hell I was waiting for. I never pulled the trigger. We didn't go out again despite remaining on good terms. The point I am making is that guys with older notions of chivalry and doing things the right way often find themselves moving way too slow for the modern girl. Especially if she is very attractive and is used to guys trying to sleep with her. An inexperienced guy might think that this is a good thing that shows that you are "different" than the other guys, but in reality MOST girls will just find that too boring. Then those guys often either give up on dating or give up on the chivalry. I'll be honest, I gave up on the chivalry. I've always been interested in girls and there was no way I was going to walk away from dating, so I let that part of me go. Luckily, I met my current partner only about 6 months later and she happened to be one of the rare good girls and revived the chivalrous part of me. I still wonder though... would she have given me the chance if I hadn't lost that part of me for a bit? I was much more bold after the Stephanie situation than I was before it, so I do still wonder about that... One day maybe I will tell the story about Katy and my first date. It was a bit of a disaster, but not on my part. She would tell you the same thing. She made the first date a disaster which led me to ending the date early. I wasn't rude or mean... it will only make sense if I tell the story. Let's just say that she did something that was totally not cool at all. I would have to ask her if she minded if I told the story before I would share it.

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

Well yeah, if you watch old movies, even criminals were suits. Honor among thieves indeed..

Troy Hickman

@DOCE definitely a big issue as well. Ive seen it far to much where a guy who is just doing what he was raised to do the right things and be a gentlemen gets belittled. Just being decent kind person and being shat on by society for it. So we do exist its just guys lack being able to find the right person who appreciates it. I only know my experience as an American going to other countries in the Navy and seeing girls SWOON over chivalrous guys, then coming back to the states and it not being appreciated by lot of woman here.

Thats MR. Baldamort

Sorry, but if chivalry is dead, it was women who killed it. Men donโ€™t know the rules anymore. My mother raised me proper but some women get offended if you open a door or pull out a chair.

Doce

@michael Its definitely not as prevalent as it use to be, but youd be surprised the amount of guys that are nothing but kind and are a gentlemen. For example, most of the military guys I served with are nothing but gentlemen to everybody around them. So I think chivalry might of been just diluted to just mere acts of kindness and compassion. I dont think its dead, it just looks different. Lots of guys are only chivalrous to their partner and not everyone else. Side note, I went over seas in the navy back in 2017 to 2019 a few times and more times than I can remember it was brought up in conversation, that has been an opinion among foreigners (mainly girls) is how American guys love being hopeless romantics and gentleman lol. I found that surprising considering of all the things Americans are known for, I didnt expect that to be one of them (generally speaking)

Thats MR. Baldamort

As a woman I can strongly say that if chivalry isnโ€™t dead , it is dying

Dasha

Chivalry has been on life support for awhile, but I suspect that it might be making a comeback. At least in the States, I'm seeing a change happening in the culture with many young men that I didn't see when I was in High School. I'm seeing more and more young men turn away from the girls who have the "I don't need no man" attitude, and they're beginning to value women who appreciate chivalry and traditional gender roles. I think they're finding the former intolerable, and the latter much easier going. Happy wife = happy life. :)

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

people dressed up to steal planes back in the day too ๐Ÿ˜‚

Thats MR. Baldamort

That is exaclty what I mean by traditional soul, or well semi traditional anyway. I am personally semi traditional, my entire family is semi tradional. We are all very chivalrous to our woman and gentlemanly and just good to people in genral. You may think chivalry is dead but wait until you meet my family. The French Canadian side of my family is strong lol.

Thats MR. Baldamort

I'm really glad you enjoyed this film. A lot of younger viewers are reluctant to get into older movies, but they usually find that they like them. They might not be be as fast-paced or have the special effects of today's movies, but I think the story lines are often much better. I think you would really like all of Hitchcock's films.

CMB76

Personally, I agree with your opinion on 50's fashion, Dasha. There is something timeless and classic regarding the fashion. It has a feel of a simpler more respectful time. Something I've wanted to do - and will do some day - is go to a formal 50's style themed party or Ball. That would be such a blast!

Michael@GetFitwithDogs

Well, I've flown about 250,000 miles so far (mainly to Canada), but I'm always a little bit of a white-knuckle flyer, and if my plane ever were to go down, I think I'd rather have them find me in a nice suit than a T-shirt and ripped up jeans... ๐Ÿ˜‰

Troy Hickman

Oh I honestly just recently realized my love towards 50s style. I know that it wasnโ€™t all nice and simple as it looks nice from the old movies, but I do really enjoy the retro style , manners and appearances of this time !

Dasha

Wow I didnโ€™t know people would ever dress up to get into a plane , thatโ€™s cool!

Dasha

Dasha, you loving 50s movies and falling in love with the style and the mannerisms, the vibes, has me convinced that you might be and old tradional soul, maybe semi traditional soul living in a young body. Maybe I'm wrong, what do you think?

Thats MR. Baldamort

Fantastic reaction! Dasha, you immediately knew you were going to like this movie, and I think it's probably because Hitchcock was such a great director that it's obvious from the outset you're in for a great ride. I noticed you said some of the same things when you watched his classic Psycho. I don't think you have done Rear Window yet, which is another great one, so I look forward to that. Here's a bit of trivia for you. There are a number of funny bloopers (mistakes) in this movie. One of the best is in the scene where Eve pulls the gun on Roger. In the crowd behind her, you can see a little boy who puts his hands over his ears, because they have filmed this scene many times and he knows there's about to be a loud bang. ๐Ÿ˜€ You say you like the fifties movies, and I think you definitely picked out one of the reasons why. The fashions and the civility of people is really quite wonderful. It makes me think of airline flights. These days people get on planes wearing sweat suits, skimpy clothes, torn clothes, etc. Back in the fifties, riding on an airplane was much more of a formal thing, and people would dress up. I really appreciate that. It's one of those things, kind of like manners, that unfortunately I think a lot of folks have lost. Oh, one more thing. At the very beginning of the reaction, you say, "today we are going to watch a wiener." What is this, a locker room?Hey, didn't we get enough of that with Sausage Party? ๐Ÿ˜‰

Troy Hickman

As usual, great thumbnail.

Stuart Guthrie Jr.


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